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nascar qualifying let's take it to the limit

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 12:37 PM

I think that nascrap should have taken this renovation of qualifying to it's logical end and just adopted an Australian Pursuit as the format. No second round, nothing, just one shot at it for 35 or 50 laps, depending on the track size and configuration. The starting order would be a total invert of the car #'s point standings, not driver or owner. Problem is that this would be the best event of the weekend and make the race to be seen for the parade that it is.
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 02:55 PM

I am glad they finally changed the qualifing procedure so NASCAR can be great again!
It's so good to see them back on top of their game!
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 02:55 PM

Not.
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:53 PM

I can see where there will be a lot of buddy, buddy stuff going on, especially at the big tracks. If you don't want someone to make the show, just don't let them get hooked up in a draft. One round and you're done.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:10 PM

This will make life even more difficult for the single car teams.
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 08:24 PM

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:37 AM

The qualify procedure is close to the same that Formula 1 uses and it works well for them. Nascar is a totally different product and it could be interesting to see how it works for them. Its only for the bigger tracks so does it really matter where they start when driving in circles for 500 miles?
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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:20 AM

View PostMikeF, on 24 January 2014 - 09:37 AM, said:

Its only for the bigger tracks so does it really matter where they start when driving in circles for 500 miles?


The way I read it, it is for all tracks. The main difference being that on the smaller tracks you advance through two rounds of qualifying whereas on the larger tracks, you advance through three rounds.

For those who do not do well enough in the first round, they are completely out. For that reason, the first round is the most important, you either make the show or you don't make the show.

I'm assuming the top car owners are no longer locked in? I didn't see mention of that, anyone else know? Any mention of provisional starting spots being available?

It will work differently with NASCAR than it does with F1. The F1 guys can spread out nicely on a road course and stay out of each others way. Not so with 25 cars on an oval track. There will be slower cars holding up the faster cars, maybe even on purpose.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:25 AM

Why not just pick a number from a hat? that is where they are heading....
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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:37 AM

Will the driver who wins the pole be buying 3 sets of sticker tires to get there?

Anyone know the tire rule for qualifying?

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:58 AM

They didn't announce any tire rules yet. The Nationwide series and the trucks are doing this as well and they have tire limits so they probably can't bolt on stickers each round. Cup is probably a free for all though. I would guess that everywhere except the Talladega and Daytona that it will be a line of cars on pit road waiting to get a clean run without traffic. They will probably still tape them up which means each car will only do a couple laps each session so they can ice them down to do another taped up run the next session.

Last year the fastest speeds at plate tracks in Cup came when they had a very large pack, so if you want to turn the fastest lap you need the biggest pack you can get. The tandem didn't seem to do much. It might actually make it easier for a small team to make the show at a plate track because now you just need to get in the pack and figure out how to time a run to get the fastest lap. I think it will be fun to watch at Talladega and Daytona since qualifying there was pretty boring to start with.
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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:18 AM

View Postastromapaupus, on 24 January 2014 - 10:58 AM, said:

Last year the fastest speeds at plate tracks in Cup came when they had a very large pack, so if you want to turn the fastest lap you need the biggest pack you can get.


There will be 20 or more cars qualifying within a tenth of each other!

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:17 AM

It also wouldn't surprise me if some guys that know they have a provisional to fall back on won't get in that pack to qualify at plate tracks, especially in the chase. There are a lot of crew chiefs that won't want their drivers to risk the car before the race starts, unless they add some points to qualifying.
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Posted 24 January 2014 - 01:44 PM

I guess it's good to see NASCAR being consistant.

Fixing something else that wasn't broke.
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Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:51 PM

Q. How does this new qualifying impact the Coors Light Pole Award or Keystone Light Pole Award?

A. The fastest driver in the final round of NASCAR Sprint Cup Series and NASCAR Nationwide Series qualifying will earn the Coors Light Pole Award. The fastest driver in the final round of NASCAR Camping World Truck Series qualifying will earn the Keystone Light Pole Award.

Q. How will the cars/trucks be chosen in the first round of qualifying?

A. Cars/trucks will be lined up on pit road based on a random draw.

Q. Where will the cars/trucks that advance go between rounds?

A. Cars/trucks that advance return to their respective pit stalls in preparation for the next round of qualifying.

Q. What kind of adjustments can be made on pit road during qualifying?

A. Teams can make wedge, track bar, tire pressure and tape adjustments and also plug in oil on pit road, but only between each qualifying round. A team cannot jack up the vehicle or raise the hood.

Q. What happens if a car/truck is involved in an on track incident during one of the qualifying rounds? Are they permitted to return to pit road and/or the garage to make repairs?

A. Repairs are not permissible on pit road or in the garage during qualifying. Once a vehicle returns to the garage, it will not be permitted to return or compete in that qualifying round or any future qualifying rounds for that event.

Q. Will vehicles’ top lap speeds carry over between rounds?

A. No. Top lap speeds are reset after each round.

Q. Will NASCAR stop the clock during a qualifying round because of an incident?

A. The clock will stop if the red flag is displayed and it can also be stopped at the discretion of the managing director of the series.

Q. What happens when the clock strikes zero at the end of a round?

A. Vehicles are allowed to cross the start/finish line one time.

Q. Does a car/truck have to compete for the entire duration of a session?

A. No, but the vehicle must complete one lap in order to record a qualifying time.

Q. Does the new qualifying format impact provisionals?

A. No. NASCAR’s provisional system remains intact and provisionals will be assigned at the end of the first round of qualifying.

Q. What if two or more vehicles finish tied with the same top lap speed?

A. If multiple vehicles are tied with the same top lap speed, their starting position will be determined by the owner point standings. If owner points cannot break the tie, the driver setting the duplicate time first would start in front of the other. Note: Owner points from the previous season will be used to break ties until the completion of the third championship event of the current season.

Q. What happens if qualifying can’t be completed because of weather or other adverse conditions?

A. If one or more qualifying sessions are completed, the starting positions will be determined based on the most-recently completed qualifying sessions.

Q. What happens if qualifying is canceled because of weather or other adverse conditions?

A. Starting positions will be determined per the rule book.

Q. Will this format also be used for road courses?

A. This format will be used at all NASCAR tracks across all three national series, with the exception of the Daytona 500 and non-points NASCAR Sprint Cup Series events and the NASCAR Camping World Truck Series race at Eldora Speedway.

Q. Will pit stall selections be handled as they have been previously, with the No. 1 qualifier getting first choice, No. 2 qualifier getting the second choice, etc.?

A. The pit stall selection process post-qualifying will remain the same.
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Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:55 PM

At tracks measuring 1.25 miles in length or larger, qualifying for the Coors Light Pole Award will consist of three rounds:

• The first qualifying elimination round will be 25 minutes in duration and includes all cars/trucks. The 24 cars/trucks that post the fastest single lap from the first qualifying round will advance to the second round.

• The remaining cars/trucks will be sorted based on their times posted in the first round of qualifying in descending order.

• The second qualifying elimination round will be 10 minutes in duration and the 12 cars/trucks that post the fastest single lap time will advance to the third and final round. The fastest remaining cars/trucks earn positions 13th through 24th based on their times posted in qualifying in descending order.


• The third and final qualifying round will be five minutes in duration and the fastest single lap time will determine positions 1st through 12th in descending order.

• There will be a five-minute break between each qualifying round.

At tracks measuring less than 1.25 miles, qualifying for the Coors Light Pole Award will consist of two rounds:

• The first qualifying elimination round will be 30 minutes in duration and includes all cars/trucks. The 12 cars/trucks that post the fastest single lap time from the first qualifying round will advance to the second and final round.

• The remaining cars/trucks will be sorted based on their times posted in the first round of qualifying in descending order.

• There will be a 10-minute break between the two qualifying rounds.

• The second and final qualifying round will be 10 minutes in duration and the fastest single lap time posted will determine positions 1st through 12th in descending order.

The new qualifying format does not apply to the Daytona 500, which will preserve its historic and unique qualifying format. Additionally, it does not apply to non-points NASCAR Sprint Cup Series events or the NASCAR Camping World Truck Series event at Eldora Speedway.

NASCAR previewed the concept of group qualifying with its national series teams late last fall and expects the new format will be a well-received improvement by its fans, competitors, tracks, sponsors and media partners.

"We believe the timing is right for a new qualifying format across our three national series," said Robin Pemberton, vice president for competition and racing development. "This style of group qualifying has all the makings of being highly competitive and more engaging to our fans in the stands and those watching on television and online. For the drivers and teams, we believe this new qualifying will fuel even greater competition leading into the events. Additionally, it provides our tracks, broadcasters and other key partners with a greater opportunity to develop more entertaining content for our race weekends."


For more details on the new qualifying formal, please visit NASCAR.com. Please note that the official title of the award in the NASCAR Camping World Truck Series is the Keystone Light Pole Award.
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