Tire Test @ Springport New Hoosier D800
#41
Posted 24 December 2015 - 09:14 AM
BUT its all in the presentation of your opinion. It can be heard without name calling and use of the "F" word - cussing is cussing you hear it everyday but why write it in your post?
I cuss, I use the "F" word sometimes but I don't need it to get my opinion across on our little club.
We have our charity bowling tournament each year - do you think the casual member - lurker here would want to come and help out if they read all the name calling and mud slinging that happens sometime on here? It's like when you read bad things about a track - would someone want to go there?
Technology is what has raised the price of racing for everyone - not a single person - not a track owner - not a series owner. Whether it is a new tire or a fabricated frame or motor parts - someone that may or may not ever step a foot into a racing facility or know much about it - they have a JOB to develop something NEW for "Big Businesses" to offer something new and different. It may make you go faster it may not, it may last longer it may not. Don't kill the messengers that are willing to test these new things out, more than likely they are donating their time, they are wondering the same thing everyone else is - how many laps will these tires hold up, what kind of abuse will this motor take, etc.
There should be no battle between dirt and pavement racing. Racing is racing no matter what we need to keep our sport alive quit saying "my house is better than your house" say come out and check us out we have 100 cars a night - come out and watch us we may only have 60 cars but we go 3 wide. Its all about the presentation of anything.
Everyone have a Happy Holiday! See you February 13th at our Annual Bowling Tournament at Capitol Bowl in Owosso where we are helping dirt and pavement families both!!
#42
Posted 24 December 2015 - 10:03 AM
As for the tires, and getting somewhat back on topic, this is an ongoing subject all the time. Tires are always an issue. Some guys are crying to keep the 970 and don't want to switch. However, they complain about the 970 at other times. Something changed with the 970 in 2009, it wasn't the same tire as the 2008 tire. The racers noticed it and complained about it, but they kept using it because it was the tire of choice. Whatever tire is selected by the racing series' and the various tracks will be the tire of choice and everyone will just have to use it.
Some have said a hard tire that lasts a long time should be used. OK, specify what tire this should be? There isn't one. And if there was one and it was selected by the series' and tracks, it would be complained about heavily because half of the drivers wouldn't be able to deal with the slipping that would result. Money for tires would be saved, but the cars wouldn't handle and crap would happen and that means tore up race cars. So, it would actually cost more money. We would hear Dick complaining about the lapper that kept sliding in the turns and you can't get around him because he's all over the track. When tires don't grip, the cars get real wide in the corners. That works OK on a dirt track because all the good cars and drivers get wide in the corners and ride nicely together that way. It doesn't work on a paved track, though.
So, you need a tire that grips decently so you can focus on a good chassis setup and be able to drive the car. And hopefully, that tire will also last OK.
Maybe Hoosier wants to phase out the 970. Time to move on.
-Maurice
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#43
Posted 24 December 2015 - 12:32 PM
#44
Posted 24 December 2015 - 12:59 PM
Quietly Making Noise
#45
Posted 25 December 2015 - 11:09 PM
Kevin 05, on 25 December 2015 - 03:59 AM, said:
#46
Posted 25 December 2015 - 11:22 PM
Kevin 05, on 25 December 2015 - 03:59 AM, said:
#47
Posted 26 December 2015 - 07:27 AM
I don't feel Dick learned a thing from those battles. He doesn't care about what his words do to other people. Honestly, it's just rudeness. No internet politeness or courtesy is employed by him. I read his post and love his points, and usually his passion, but HATE his attitude and how he treats anyone that may not agree with him.
So what are you supposed to do?? All the negativity starts to drain on the masses, something had to be done.
I echo Laney's post, go girl !!!
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#48
Posted 30 December 2015 - 10:15 PM
Mopar93, on 23 December 2015 - 08:36 PM, said:
I think everyone is getting bored.
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#49
Posted 15 December 2017 - 09:33 AM
I would suggest ELIMINATING qualifying and draw for a heat race spot and earning your starting spot in the feature by RACING for it. Open the tracks up at 5PM,10 laps practice in groups of 10 and that's it. Practice night should be a DIFFERENT night than RACE night....It is unfair for a guy who works till 5PM on Friday and has NO practice to make a show with 40 cars. NO other sport has 4 hours of practice before competing on the same day. RACE day is for RACING.
I know who will bad mouth me for this post but have fun,my skin is thick and so is my skull so have at it boys and girls.
This saying "no competitive advantage" should be banned and if you are 4 and 1/8th on a 4 inch rule you should be disqualified and given start pay after the race in tech inspection....PERIOD.... Not whinning about no competitive advantage stuff. If you can get 2.2 tho bearing clearance and a balance to micro grams to turn 9500 you can measure 4 inches and be right......Lets get some traffic going here. All b-s will be called out immediately so do not pull stuff out of your ying-yang and spout it off......
#50
Posted 15 December 2017 - 11:38 AM
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#52
Posted 15 December 2017 - 12:20 PM
mod911, on 15 December 2017 - 09:33 AM, said:
I would suggest ELIMINATING qualifying and draw for a heat race spot and earning your starting spot in the feature by RACING for it. Open the tracks up at 5PM,10 laps practice in groups of 10 and that's it. Practice night should be a DIFFERENT night than RACE night....It is unfair for a guy who works till 5PM on Friday and has NO practice to make a show with 40 cars. NO other sport has 4 hours of practice before competing on the same day. RACE day is for RACING.
I know who will bad mouth me for this post but have fun,my skin is thick and so is my skull so have at it boys and girls.
This saying "no competitive advantage" should be banned and if you are 4 and 1/8th on a 4 inch rule you should be disqualified and given start pay after the race in tech inspection....PERIOD.... Not whinning about no competitive advantage stuff. If you can get 2.2 tho bearing clearance and a balance to micro grams to turn 9500 you can measure 4 inches and be right......Lets get some traffic going here. All b-s will be called out immediately so do not pull stuff out of your ying-yang and spout it off......
Actually, I agree with some of this. I think the race day is entirely too long at some places. I will not mention names, but a couple pavement tracks we visited were easy 12 hours days for race teams, and even longer for officials. It is not as bad now, but 8 to 9 hour days are not unheard of. I know most folks on this site would never hear of giving up qualifying, but I do think it should be reserved for special events, or events with features only. Heat races are boring when all the fast cars are in one race, and they mean nothing. A 3 hour program for fans, and a 5 to 6 hour program for teams and officials would be my idea.
Back on topic, I have no idea what the answer is for tires. If there was a good solution, I am sure someone would have thought of it by now. But, switching tires every few years, and all the tracks being on different tires helps nobody except the tire manufactures. Soaking them is a touchy subject, but you can get more life out of old tires if done correctly. Many teams soak them now anyway. Some teams will still bolt new tires on every race, and soak them from the get go. So again, there is no easy answer there either. let alone some of the health and environmental concerns. I wish I had the answer, i would be a rich man by now. Wait, maybe that is the problem...
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