Michigan Short Track Racing Club: It's about time - Michigan Short Track Racing Club

Jump to content

  • (23 Pages)
  • +
  • « First
  • 21
  • 22
  • 23
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

It's about time

#441 User is offline   Mopar93 Icon

  • Maurice Randall
  • Icon
  • Group: PR Members
  • Posts: 2,857
  • Joined: --
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Charlotte, MI
  • Interests:Automobiles, computers.

Posted 03 April 2015 - 08:32 AM

View PostKevin 05, on 03 April 2015 - 08:05 AM, said:

Maurice.. you are correct.. But you guys can beat my post for FAB clips all to pieces but leave the body work/aero stuff alone.. A guy has to make a living somehow LOL.. I know a lot of people that short track aero is not a big deal,, but they are way off wrong.. I can easily get one of these things to run on 970's with a few aero tweeks the same times or close to OLM.


Yup, all kinds of not so noticeable tweaks can be done to the bodies. Make the RF of the roof slightly lower than the LF of the roof. Make the LR of the roof slightly higher than the RR of the roof. Kick the right side of the body out at the rear in relation to the right side of the cowl area. Angle the whole top of the decklid slightly down to the right. Angle the right side sheetmetal so the top of the body is out further than the rocker area.

Someone should experiment with a half width spoiler. Just run a spoiler on the left half of the decklid. There is no minimum width rule. You don't need a spoiler on the right side as the right side benefits from gravity. Get the body to push down less on the RR and more on the LR. Less spoiler will also help towards the end of the straightaway.

All kinds of little tricks won't make the car a great deal faster, but if it is 5 hundredths faster per lap, it can make the difference between being able to pass the guy or just riding behind him for the whole race. Let him ride behind you instead.

-Maurice
A good part of racing is all the friends you create.
A sad part of racing is all the enemies you create.
0

#442 User is offline   Kevin 05 Icon

  • Touring series champion
  • Icon
  • Group: Senior Members
  • Posts: 1,443
  • Joined: --
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dorr Mi.

Posted 03 April 2015 - 09:20 AM

STOP
The Wizard of Air

Quietly Making Noise
0

#443 User is offline   mod911 Icon

  • mod911
  • Icon
  • Group: Senior Members
  • Posts: 1,112
  • Joined: --
  • Gender:Male

Posted 03 April 2015 - 09:36 AM

You have to turn the car sideways to use those sail panels. If you lack the nads to put it sideways then no body is fine. Running around K-Zoo with big side panels is useless unless you have the courage to use them. Put er in full throttle and turn the wheel,gotta have a loose setup to keep it on the air. Last time I was there I had my side board up to the top of the roll cage so I could get out the window if needed and the wind blew my head to the window net side with quite a force. What a weird feeling not to have my head on the right side head support but instead getting it blown into my window net.

I know I don't know anything about side panels and aero but I did win about 6 or 8 run what ya brung shows. No nads no win. Blow on that. 6 to 8 inches of stagger needed to get her to turn in so you can flip it sideways and catch some air. Smooth ride once you get it on the air and fly it sideways,really actually fly it sideways. My average speed was 112 at K-Zoo. Makes ya grin and your stomach growl like it did when I was headed to T-C on the half mile. No breakfast for me on those days,food doesn't go down well in a knotted up stomach....same feeling getting in the boxing ring too. No food went into my yapper on those days either

Like the song said, anticipation is making me go mad.....
0

#444 User is offline   mod911 Icon

  • mod911
  • Icon
  • Group: Senior Members
  • Posts: 1,112
  • Joined: --
  • Gender:Male

Posted 03 April 2015 - 09:45 AM

crazy too
0

#445 User is offline   Mopar93 Icon

  • Maurice Randall
  • Icon
  • Group: PR Members
  • Posts: 2,857
  • Joined: --
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Charlotte, MI
  • Interests:Automobiles, computers.

Posted 03 April 2015 - 10:17 AM

Dick, your recent posts are the kind of stuff people like to read. Thanks for posting it.

p.s. In reality, they like reading your other crap too. :)

-Maurice
A good part of racing is all the friends you create.
A sad part of racing is all the enemies you create.
0

#446 User is offline   Kevin 05 Icon

  • Touring series champion
  • Icon
  • Group: Senior Members
  • Posts: 1,443
  • Joined: --
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dorr Mi.

Posted 03 April 2015 - 02:38 PM

Dick I would have to agree with part of what you said.. Boards are the way if you have the motor to haul A#@. But I believe the last time I was at the Call, and at the other open shows.. The fastest mods seemed to be the ones that had sprint wings.. Like the#27,#32&#72 Boards are great if you have the knowledge to use them to there full potential.. If your head was into the window net something wasn't right.But also to your post you need the nads..The one heat was won by a kid in a UMP dirt mod,, with "D"tires He just stood on it and ran Kazoo like it was dirt Sideways..And he had nothing on it.. The other thing with Boards is you have to have Damn good steering.. putting a board on a mod,street,or anything else without QUICK, reliable steering is asking to kiss the wall.. The next time you want to run an open show yell and I'll help you set up your boards so your head is in the right place..Sounds like we should go back to THUNDER MODS.
The Wizard of Air

Quietly Making Noise
0

#447 User is offline   mod911 Icon

  • mod911
  • Icon
  • Group: Senior Members
  • Posts: 1,112
  • Joined: --
  • Gender:Male

Posted 04 April 2015 - 10:24 AM

I went to the call with no practice there. I won a heat and was leading the b feature but my steering got hard and I was starting to wave out when the yellow came out. I was killing them too and thought how lucky a yellow was when I needed one to get out and when I coasted back round the field was all over the place in turn 3-4. There seemed to be power steering fluid all over and it made a mess of everyone behind me. The hose came off the fitting, a factory made hose,first time a p-s hose came off on me.
Unless you can hold the throttle down ALL the way around K Zoo and if you have the nads to blow it in and FORCE it to turn 90* to the race track you will never understand why my head was blown LEFT. I blew it in sideways in practice when I was the only car out there and made it STOP sideways in the middle of the corner and motor stalled out. People came over and asked me if I had a problem and I told them I was playing and feeling the car out. I did that several times. If it grabbed traction it would sent you straight into the wall headfirst so ya better be prepared. I think Nile Wyler was the fastest and only mod in the a feature,he was fast with a wing. I was the 2nd or 3rd fastest mod. If i had my board lower,it was above my roll cage the wind would not blow sideways into the car. I had a 410 motor so I was not hurting for power. When i had the board lower I had no breeze blowing thru sideways because the path was blocked.

Like I said 6 to 8 inches of stagger was NECESSARY to make it turn but I had it so loose it wanted to spin out but the air wall pushed you back into the inside wall. I was flying sideways,that is how you make the board work. I had a 12 inch spoiler also and it would not turn at speed or get loose at all so we drilled 2 inch holes in it till it would turn. I still have it in the back room. I had 11inch slicks on too. It was AWSOME. I would have won both races I was in if not for a factory made hose crimp blowing off. I suppose those large tires made the pump work at its max too long.

What would AMAZE me is if I said something about something someone else has never actually DONE,in person and did well or dominated at and someone actually asked how it was done not give me advice. I would ask questions and learn myself. Did anyone know it takes 8 inches of stagger to make the board turn? Did anyone realize that the wind blows left when dirt or board racing and wonder why? If you turn ur car sideways the wind blows left,I remembered that after a few laps. Maybe a little farther than a dirt race but still same feeling. I did WIN several board races and maybe have knowledge that a never raced one does not realize.

I figure a 112mph wind should blow my head left, right? If you have the nads to put it sideways anyway. If you did not bring it too a stop still sideways.....it would grab traction and send you straight into the inside wall or flip you into the outside wall if you chickened out halfway into it. How many cars have you seen do that at K-Zoo? Bobble loose then over correct and grab traction and right into the outside wall head first.

I turned down my budweiser sponsor yesterday because I am NOT racing Owosso until they get the rules EVERYONE else has...So Springport is my home track again. It took years waiting for jane to leave so I may run out of time in my career waiting this time. My local track is always the one to screw things up. I still wonder who made that stupid not thought out decision. i am asking owosso business owners to not sponsor them also. What few are left anyway. Not hard to do since most of my old fans go to Crystal anyway. Owosso is not popular with locals here in Owosso anyway...I hear it daily when my car is out in view. Customers say 'you racing this year"? I say some and then they say "we go to Crystal now to see racing since they have race after race after race and yellows are short and action is continious". We watch 20 races and Owosso is sill racing their 60 cars total whe we go buy on the way back from Crystal......We only want out of towners racing here since we let them make our rules for our local boys to suit what the outside travelers want for them. Not many local fans or racers left the last few decades. Used to be several mods here but now there is one(1). One in Ovid, can't think of anymore. Not many locals come to watch racers they don't know,live by,work with or friends with or related to. Makes for poor ticket sales. I just wonder WHO made this frame and tire and hans device and weight rule changes. Maybe they should worry about ticket sales and not try to pump up tire sales and pit passes. 4000 seats to fill up and all they do is empty the pits and chase away race teams. Maybe the owner should make stupid rules for those not so fast limited late models. All that money into them and they are no faster than mods. Pick on your own class that you race in is my advice. 2 bbl racing sucks for the fans, a screaming 2 bbl is not a 4 bbl super late show. I do not go to see 2 bbl screeching by maxed out or hear it on the chip......boring. no ticket sales but bullying the performers is the new way. Maybe draw for the win so everyone is happy and no one loses, a rookie has an equal chance to win and more will buy a ticket or a car to play. No sense in getting dirty or working hard just to win......
0

#448 User is offline   Kevin 05 Icon

  • Touring series champion
  • Icon
  • Group: Senior Members
  • Posts: 1,443
  • Joined: --
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dorr Mi.

Posted 05 April 2015 - 06:35 PM

Dick after you have run a few laps at Eldora,or Terra Haute,in a winged sprinter,, or run a mod at Indy or Springfield,, Then WE can talk NADS and AERO and how it really works.. I was offering you help to make your car even faster,, But FORGET IT... YOu may know a lot about front end geometry so I don't question any of those points you make at all.. But when it come to AERO,,, you are so far off it is a joke,,, Have fun with your boards way up in the air and throwing your car wherever it is you throw it.
The Wizard
Done with this post and done trying to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.. Have a great year at Springport.. I'm sure you will be like a rocket there.
The Wizard of Air

Quietly Making Noise
0

#449 User is offline   governor Icon

  • Touring series champion
  • Icon
  • Group: Senior Members
  • Posts: 2,721
  • Joined: --
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Charlotte MI.
  • Interests:Family and Racing

Posted 05 April 2015 - 09:37 PM

Below is real data that is available form Kalamazoo web site with facts.

Dam, I wonder if Wayne Haughton in the #32 mod had the wind blowing his head to the left. Nice run Wayne, 4th quick against the whole field.

Pos No. Name Best time In lap Best speed Diff Gap Laps
1 70 Andy Bozell 00:10.020 10 134.731 32
2 8 Phil Bozell 00:10.472 26 128.915 00:00.452 00:00.452 30
3 11 Danny Mac 00:10.986 14 122.884 00:00.966 00:00.514 34
4 32 Wayne Houghton 00:12.137 15 111.230 00:02.117 00:01.151 16
5 6 Mike Shewchuk 00:12.181 13 110.828 00:02.161 00:00.044 20
6 14 Mark Shook 00:12.233 9 110.357 00:02.213 00:00.052 9
7 11 Jeff Bozell 00:12.383 5 109.020 00:02.363 00:00.150 9
8 11 Randy Day 00:12.571 5 107.390 00:02.551 00:00.188 61


In the next group Nyle and I did just fine.

1 28 Eric McGlothlen 00:12.501 3 107.991
2 27 Nyle Weiler 00:12.702 3 106.282 00:00.201 00:00.201 4
3 76 Doug Rodanhisler00:12.864 3 104.944 00:00.363 00:00.162 3
4 72 Dan Loughan 00:12.891 3 104.724 00:00.390 00:00.027 3
5 15 Chuck Greer 00:12.954 3 104.215 00:00.453 00:00.063 4
6 16 Billy Shannon 00:13.047 3 103.472 00:00.546 00:00.093 3
7 8 AJ Foote 00:13.094 5 103.101 00:00.593 00:00.047 5
8 49 Mike Schippers 00:13.108 3 102.991 00:00.607 00:00.014 3
9 6 Jamison Russell 00:13.209 3 102.203 00:00.708 00:00.101 3

Then there was another year.

1 111 Curt Spaulding 00:10.217 14 132.133 15
2 70 Andy Bozell 00:10.240 13 131.836 00:00.023 00:00.023 37
3 12S Terry Sroufe 00:10.515 4 128.388 00:00.298 00:00.275 20
4 11 Dan MacEndarfer 00:11.222 23 120.299 00:01.005 00:00.707 24
5 45 Jeff Vochaska 00:11.762 3 114.776 00:01.545 00:00.540 3
6 21 Tod Pifer 00:11.940 3 113.065 00:01.723 00:00.178 3
7 76 Doug Rodanhisler 00:12.522 3 107.810 00:02.305 00:00.582 3
8 8 Phil Bozell 00:12.820 3 105.304 00:02.603 00:00.298 3
9 15 Mark Horton 00:12.897 3 104.676 00:02.680 00:00.077 4
10 14S Jessi Sroufe 00:12.899 3 104.659 00:02.682 00:00.002 3
11 5E Ed Santora 00:12.903 3 104.627 00:02.686 00:00.004 3
12 11 Randy Day 00:12.991 3 103.918 00:02.774 00:00.088 3
13 27 Nyle Weiler 00:13.174 3 102.475 00:02.957 00:00.183 4
14 10 Dan Roodvoets 00:13.255 3 101.848 00:03.038 00:00.081 3
15 88 Dan Logan 00:13.325 3 101.313 00:03.108 00:00.070 3
16 64 Todd Dougherty 00:13.373 3 100.950 00:03.156 00:00.048 3
17 7D Tom Sevigny 00:13.480 3 100.148 00:03.263 00:00.107 3
18 00 Ken Kirby 00:13.572 3 99.469 00:03.355 00:00.092 3
19 09 Marc Casey 00:13.607 3 99.214 00:03.390 00:00.035 3
20 25 Ralph Wine 00:13.675 3 98.720 00:03.458 00:00.068 3
21 67 Tim Rugg 00:13.681 3 98.677 00:03.464 00:00.006 3
22 84 Mike Brooks 00:13.684 3 98.655 00:03.467 00:00.003 4
23 8C Chris Shannon 00:13.699 3 98.547 00:03.482 00:00.015 3
24 47 Tom Rutherford 00:13.847 2 97.494 00:03.630 00:00.148 4
25 86 Louis Miller 00:13.918 2 96.997 00:03.701 00:00.071 3
26 61V John Foote Jr. 00:13.920 3 96.983 00:03.703 00:00.002 3
27 88 AJ Foote 00:13.929 2 96.920 00:03.712 00:00.009 3
28 6 Jamison Russell 00:13.968 3 96.649 00:03.751 00:00.039 3
29 16 Mike Ammerman 00:14.197 2 95.091 00:03.980 00:00.229 4
30 46 Hank Miller 00:14.200 2 95.070 00:03.983 00:00.003 3
31 48 Mike Langdon 00:14.256 3 94.697 00:04.039 00:00.056 3
32 911 Dick Maurer 00:14.276 5 94.564 00:04.059 00:00.020 5

With some hard facts here is what happened.


Gov
A Passion for Modified Racing
0

#450 User is offline   RowZ Icon

  • Track champion
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 374
  • Joined: 25-April 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Eaton Rapids

Posted 06 April 2015 - 07:43 AM

Yeah Wayne had a good run there. 12.137 sec time trail at 111 MPH avg speed.
That is damn fast for a Modified! Likely the fastest any Mod has ever turned at KZoo.

But I have to disagree with the notion that it takes more motor to run a board.
To run that 111 avg speed with a fixed wing, we would need more motor to pull the wing drag all the way around the speedway.
The wing never stops draging the car down, anywhere. Waynes corner entry speed would have been lower with the wing.

Thats why we switched Waynes car to full side board, the drag becomes less as you exit and the car starts to straighten out.
Not that you ever truely stop turning at the Zoo.

Still would like to build a laydown wing and try it again sometime.

-Brian
0

#451 User is offline   mod911 Icon

  • mod911
  • Icon
  • Group: Senior Members
  • Posts: 1,112
  • Joined: --
  • Gender:Male

Posted 12 April 2015 - 09:25 AM

Must have been top speed not average then. Oh well. It was a very fun night anyway. I bought a dirt car yesterday so............................one more tar car will be missing. Hope all are happy. My local fans seem to be quite happy to hear that cause they cant stand looking at a 60 car total field and sitting around all night. Watching line up and clean ups. They go to CMS anyway so I may be joining THEM....lol.
Will put it out front and invite locals to dirt track 40 miles away...boycott owosso the class killer track,give us a good thing and we will work hard to kill it off in the tradition of tar racing, take a good thing and choke the life out of it. Pure owosso. Usually done for out of towners who rarely come here. TC has almost every night mod races,owosso has what 8 and they are willing to kill off mods to do 8 nights of racing....Follow the rules we want owosso or we will leave. Done deal now.
0

#452 User is offline   Tony P Icon

  • Track champion
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 391
  • Joined: --
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dundee, MI
  • Interests:Racing

Posted 09 November 2015 - 02:17 PM

So... Do we know if any fabbed clip cars showed up at Owosso, or anywhere else this year? If so, how did they fair?
0

#453 User is offline   RowZ Icon

  • Track champion
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 374
  • Joined: 25-April 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Eaton Rapids

Posted 09 November 2015 - 02:28 PM

The VanWieringens had a Howe fab clip car at Owosso early this year.
Never heard anything about after that.
0

#454 User is offline   Kevin 05 Icon

  • Touring series champion
  • Icon
  • Group: Senior Members
  • Posts: 1,443
  • Joined: --
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dorr Mi.

Posted 09 November 2015 - 03:28 PM

I never heard anything throught the year so they must not have been all that people were worried about..Only thing I know for sure is Dave at Top Speed has said NO to fab for 2016
The Wizard of Air

Quietly Making Noise
0

#455 User is offline   circusracer Icon

  • Touring series champion
  • Icon
  • Group: Senior Members
  • Posts: 1,798
  • Joined: --
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ovid, MI

Posted 10 November 2015 - 10:14 AM

View PostTony P, on 09 November 2015 - 03:17 PM, said:

So... Do we know if any fabbed clip cars showed up at Owosso, or anywhere else this year? If so, how did they fair?

Tristan set fast time two nights in this car. But I dont think he had a top 3 finish in it. And then for the nationals John Mcnett drove it to a 4th place finish out of 26 cars.
Laci Donnert #1 Modified, crew chief #2 Modified.
0

#456 User is offline   Kevin 05 Icon

  • Touring series champion
  • Icon
  • Group: Senior Members
  • Posts: 1,443
  • Joined: --
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dorr Mi.

Posted 10 November 2015 - 11:18 AM

So then If I read your post right there was no real Factory advantage to a fab front clip..So we just had 23+ pages of name calling for the fun of it and to just clear the air as to who really doesn't like who..If the question of allowing Fab lowers comes up would it create the same discussion?? Because if you allowed a specific fab lower that was ID from someone like (Keyser) they would be very easy to tech as Scott would build the same lower for everyone,and they would be easy to see if they were modified.
The Wizard of Air

Quietly Making Noise
0

#457 User is offline   Tony P Icon

  • Track champion
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 391
  • Joined: --
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dundee, MI
  • Interests:Racing

Posted 10 November 2015 - 12:09 PM

Tristan and John have both also been fast in stock clip cars, so I think this is a fair comparison. We had two guys who are already good, and the fabbed clip car didn't make them unbeatable. I think this was what most of us expected would be the case.

Kevin, I think the main fear is of evolution. If we allow fabbed clips, where does it stop? I like the idea of fabbed clips, but not if allowing them causes an out of control spiral turning Mods into Late Models. Unfortunately, the only way to ensure that doesn't happen it to Tech cars which won't happen at the local level, and we can't agree on the right way to Tech the clips, cars, bodies etc. as it is. If I was forced to vote on Fabbed clips, because I can't put a "Yes" vote in with contingencies that the clips are Teched and continue to be throughout their existence, I would probably vote No.

Tony P.
0

#458 User is offline   Kevin 05 Icon

  • Touring series champion
  • Icon
  • Group: Senior Members
  • Posts: 1,443
  • Joined: --
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dorr Mi.

Posted 10 November 2015 - 12:17 PM

Tony,, I agree with you almost 100%..Tech is the biggest issue in this whole problem. But there must come a time when promoters force that issue instead of just not changing things.. I don't know that I would ever want to change just to change..But even those that are out there don't want to believe it, someday will come and stock clips are going to be very very hard to come by,unless you open that part of the rule up as well and allow something other than basically Big GM or metric clips and allow someone to innovate with some other stock clip. Maybe you do away with the length of the stock clip side rails (is it really checked anyway?? There is that TECH word again) and allow something else in the ballgame.
The Wizard of Air

Quietly Making Noise
0

#459 User is offline   mod911 Icon

  • mod911
  • Icon
  • Group: Senior Members
  • Posts: 1,112
  • Joined: --
  • Gender:Male

Posted 10 November 2015 - 12:35 PM

Why not go with no rules then everyone will be equal. Well I may get a new DIRT car this winter or maybe do some" no competitive advantage" cheat work. If I had longer lower arms them I could have the lighter frame with the wider stance at the lower ball joints and knock most of the scrub radius out of the car. Since no one checks them anyway it should be no problem. You tar guys just keep pricing racing out of sight. I may sell my tar car,its as it came off the track at the nats LAST year. The video is posted. What a shame that some people wrecked affordable tar racing for the mods,I wish IMCA tar came back,I would do both depending on who paid the most on a particular night. I am doing my dirty home work nightly.

Super mods,cost like supers,pays like mods. Good job fellas.....
0

  • (23 Pages)
  • +
  • « First
  • 21
  • 22
  • 23
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users