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#1 User is offline   Kevin 05 Icon

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Posted 06 August 2018 - 06:57 AM

I'm sure there must be a handful of reasons but just looking for racers feedback so that maybe 2019 could be a better place for Mods.I will start by saying that mine is still in garage due to work load and t ruefully a lot of bickering among tracks on rules and not feeling good about what way to go. However this last weekend Berlin has 10,,Winchester has 9 but Angola has 27..great for Angola as they must be doing something well,, but places like Berlin and worse yet Winchester having less than 10 is very sad.. Would love to hear what Angola is doing to get or keep people, but also why are iconic track like the other two not getting fields like that.. Is it speed,rules, payouts,,are people tired of how the tour is run?? Winchester which run them on a limited basis I would think should pack the place,, they surely use to.. and I know that Berlin is a fendered house but in the past they have had much larger fields for weekly shows and 20+ for specials or tour shows.. Are more guys going to/or back to dirt for the cost or rules being closer at most anyplace you go.I know that Dick feel it is rules,, or not everyone on the same playing field,, but is that all it is ?? Seems like it should be any easier fix if that is all.
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Posted 06 August 2018 - 08:28 AM

Too much money and way too much time required to be competitive any longer in mods. We had to match the travelers when they wanted to race at our home tracks,IMCA makes travelers match LOCAL rules if they wanna play locally....SO they have many more racers available. All these tracks fight for the same 8 cars....dirt tires last hundreds of laps,not 30 to 50 and scrap them.The winner cannot even break even for the night. I used to race from my right front packet,you racers know that deal.....The money I pay tonight came from my right front pocket,last nights pay,and not my back right pocket. That is where I hide my 40+ hour pay check. I hate to break into that myself. It paid for everything up to the pit gate....if I cannot buy pit passes and maybe 1 or 2 tires a weekend to help out it becomes a divorce court issue.....at least crack heads get free rehab and free drugs while they go thru withdrawal symptoms.....Think race withdrawal is not real......it is. Ask any racer how he feels on Saturday night when momma sold his car to buy food for the kiddies....It is a hard nut to crack....lol....no pun intended...

Talk to IMCA and make some special deal for tar junkies....affordable rules. Toss all that special front end crap away and get a junk yard spindle and rotor with caliper,$25 at most yards. Toss in a $89 dollar center link and stock pitman and idler arms too. NO under car body work,no front aero nose piece,no fancy curves or wickerbills,straight body with 90* bends and exposed tires. A 7200 chip would be nice. If you win 3 features in a row,add 50 pounds each win after that. Start over every year. Get a well defined no tolerance track width,1 inch spacer at each wheel max,1 piece rotors and hubs. That crap said about "if we can have SAFTEY hubs we would NEVER bolt a 12x1.25 super late rotor on there". We just need be be safe they said. Its all in the archive I am sure. SO they took the lighter narrow chassis,68-72 chevelle, and made it wider with lower arms,spacers and then put super brakes on it....I picked the heavier wider lower chassis for those reasons and then the lighted chassis guys got everything added for SAFETY that made them a super with no fenders.....everyone else parked em.....now its no fun anymore and cost is stupid to win 5 or 6 hundred bucks....
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Posted 30 August 2018 - 02:58 PM

Once again I'm going to stick my nose in where it doesn't belong so feel free to ignore an outsider’s opinion. My only firsthand experience is on the dirt side but I feel many of the general principals still apply.

The number one deciding factor if someone races, at what level, and how often?

Sing it with the O'Jays.

Money money money money MONEY

So just a few thoughts on cost.

1) Budget Minded Rules (As cost goes up cars go down in ANY class)

If you price the average racer out of the sport you end up with dwindling car counts. IMO you only need one “premier” class at a track and keep the others as affordable as possible. I know these budget classes get looked down on by “real” racers, but they are the life of the track. You want proof just look at Crystal Motor Speedway. I keep seeing headlines of 140+ cars at the track in one night and the stands packed. Every one of their classes are on the “budget” end of the spectrum, you know the ones looked down on as junk classes. While in each class there are those that still are trying to buy the best of everything and have some really nice equipment, the fields are filled out with the guys just getting by on their racing budget. They have no real exaptation of going out and dominating the field every night, but are filled with the hope of that one good night everything comes together for them and they beat those big spenders.

2) Consistent Rules (Change cost money driving counts down)

No matter what rules you have there are always going to be those in each class that are going to try and spend their way to the top. They are also the ones constantly campaigning for adjustments to the rules for an endless list of excuses. These changes cost everyone money that drive out racers. The guys pushing the rule changes don’t mind, they’re already trying to spend their way to the top, but the guys that can’t afford it just don’t come. Instead of adding more technology and associated cost to the class they’re in racers should be moving to another class not forcing change on everyone else.

3) Quite Chasing Cars (Build cars don’t get cars)

This goes along with consistency, but seems to be one of the major causes of inconsistency. Tracks need to quit changing rules to “get” cars. Consistent rules build cars and those are the base of a tracks car count. (Keep in mind it takes time to build cars so a few weeks of consistency isn’t going to do it.) Very few racers race multiple tracks every week compared to the ones that race one home track and occasionally travel. It’s nice to have the big names come in for special shows, but don’t change your weekly rules thinking they will be there every week. Even if you manage to win the favor of these travelers they’re not going to be there every week. Why make concessions for these part time racers (part time at one track) just to cost your regulars more and drive them off? Even if you get 4 or 5 cars to show up a few times in the year what have you gained when at first lose 2-3 from every night then the next couple from every night and so on until the class is dead. Keep your local loyal drivers happy the part timers are not helping your track and are just as willing to pick up and leave if you don’t cave to them on the next concession.

To sum up my rant I still have go back to consistency. I’ve always said that I don’t really care what the rules are as long as they stay the same and are enforced equally. Nothing is more frustrating than spending time and money making changes for new rules when that could be applied to making improvements instead.
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Posted 31 August 2018 - 10:10 AM

I'll stick my nose in here too, for what it is worth.....

I believe that ratracer49 should stick his nose in this whenever he wants, because he is making perfect sense and I agree with everything in his post. It is all about money and consistency. Dick is right about tires on asphalt too, it is WAY to expensive, and you go through them like candy at Halloween.

I still think race tracks should get out of the tire business. Enough of the marriage to one distributor. Let the drivers get whatever tire they want, from whoever they want. Enforce sizes and let em race. Eventually everyone will find their way with tires. Walk through the pits and talk to different drivers and you quickly learn that they all have their own philosophy and strategy on tires. Our pits are already filled with experts!!!!
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Posted 31 August 2018 - 04:47 PM

Ed, we used to run JUNK yard tires ONLY....BUT some said you have better junk yard tires than me ........SERIOUSLY.....so we all had to buy Cooper tires and run them, they "they" said that your cooper tires are better than mine.....then IMCA had some awesome tires that we ran down to where the second and fifth treads were to cords then scrap them....so we quit IMCA....and went to fater wearing tires and complained ever since....
Angola says if you have PRO WB OR TA shocks you get 100 pound weight break...if they cost under $150 racer cost....they are making expensive parts a disadvantage not an advantage....I say add 50 pounds for non stock center link, 50 pounds for non stock brakes too...no fab clips I do believe either. They have come to their senses and quit catering to the few....I may head down there tomorrow if I can....They penalize the expensive stuff like should have been done when the supers were killed off by themselves and dragged all their expensive stuff with them into the mod class and the proomters let them with the "no competitive advantage clause"....An iron motor super with a 200 pound weight break may just bring some of them back around....or more if needed....
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Posted 01 September 2018 - 11:21 AM

Spoke to some people at Angola when I went there a few weeks ago.

My fav response regarding the resurgence in the mod class was as follows:

"I don't know why. I think it's because we stick to the rule book. The rules are on the website at the start of the season. You have a question, go look at the rule book."

The consistency of enforcement, plus some of the other salient points that were brought up, are likely all contributors. (Although one driver told me he stopped going to a nearby track for a plethora of reasons including that the "lights suck" and then ended it with the lack of rules enforcement.

I appreciate the comment about not chasing cars. Stay the course and stay consistent.
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Posted 03 September 2018 - 05:11 PM

Man of his word - Dick hit both Angola and Spartan!

Fun fact for the weekend - Spartan + ICAR at Winchester combined was one car more than Angola.
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Posted 04 September 2018 - 11:56 AM

I drove down there and missed practice,had to make some adjustments on my new motor. Then I had my neighbor set my timing ahead 4* but it was set at 26 not 36 as I wanted so it was a turd for the b and I made it to 5th spot...It rained and we seen a tornado north of the track and the concessions lady hit the ground and got hauled away by the ambulance crew....The burgers were DELICIOUS and cost $3.50 so me and my dog ate a bunch of them. Water was 1$. Everyone was nice as can be except the fat bstrd on the cart.....rude moron and he should be escorted away....I almost slapped him off the cart.....
I ran the same tires both nites and the inside had about 200 laps and the outsides had about 130 laps starting the race Sunday and that was no problem as far as I could tell but the brake fluid leaking from the cylinders on my feet and no pedal from about lap 40 on was a problem until I picked up a miss and it seems one rocker stud pulled the threads out of the head and the lifters were laying in the valley but I made it to the end....It seems I spun some cars who like to chop,drove over one and took one off the end of Angola with me since he was banging me hard down the backstretch,after about the fourth hit he pushed me into the car ahead of me so I locked em up and off the end of the track into the mud and gravel we went. I have it on video,he left the track and was done....We had several laps to pass one car and he dirty drove me so off with his head.....With 26* of timing on E-85 you are not going anywhere anyway....Shudda done it myself but I could not find my specs......Was fun anyway and I got er done,Angola was on my bucket list since I like the track....and thanks to my neighbors who helped me greatly as soon as they saw I was alone. They made it possible to get in the race...great young folks there and at most tracks. No pussy hats types around racing...
I had to pullin at Spartan after running over top of the 55 car and had to pit since the front right was sitting low but the safety crew brought me my rear spring and I stuck it in and went back out after I heard someone had 3 laps for a flat,I just made it back out and it was a little off then the brakes went ,then a motor miss a few laps before the end....I had enough E-85 for 30 more laps at least and started with 16 gallons in my tank.To the top it was......Cost me about $26 for the race fuel and I was down for power to no one....Yes I have a compression motor too.....Passed many $8 a gallon gas cars too.....Lost 6 pounds living on the racer diet for 3 days......At 63 and by myself I feel satisfied as if I had won.....
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